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Comments about "Stu's Views: Hillary and Obama on campus"
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I support Barack Obama but I admire Hillary Clinton precisely because I think she would not have been where she is today if she did not employ the strategies that she had. She is very inspirational to me - she is a role model to me as a young female because she represents triumph over adversities and stereotypes. I have at least one other friend who prefer Barack Obama but would vote for Hillary if she got the nomination.
Another Clinton regime? No thanks. The damage they did (and are doing ,to this country is incalcuable). But Obama? As with any tool of the left, he's a disaster waiting to happen. Get real,both of them are absurd choices.
Happy Gas holiday! Don't let those snooty economists tell you better, it's going to work! Hurrah and hurray!
The list of political opponents that crosst the Clintons' and are no longer with us is long and well documented. However those of you who still support Hillary Clinton think of this. Madame Clinton got her start zealously participating in driving Richard Nixon out of office. Nixon and the 7th Air Force were the only ones who could have possibly prevented the genocide of over 2,500,000 Cambodians and Vietnamese that started in 1975. She has an awful lot of blood on her hands. Remember that in the voting booth.
The Cliff Notes version of this article:
1. Obama Supporter far outnumber Clinton Supporters on Stanford's campus.
2. A few Hillary supporters told me that some people, who may or may not be Obama supporters, were not nice to them.
That's about it. And without agreeing with or condoning the actions of those unnamed and unknown people who tore down the sign, exhibited chauvinist attitudes etc (and I absolutely do not agree with those actions whatsoever), it is tenuous to extrapolate that behavior to the thousands of Obama supporters on campus. While you attempt to qualify that only "some" Obama supporters are "self-righteous", the criticism is widened to Obama supporters more generally, a supposition for which you have no evidence, and only offer heresay and quotations from Hillary supporters on campus.
So again, I'm sorry that there are 1044 in the Obama facebook group, and 81 in the Hillary facebook group, but get over it.
Come on man, it wasn't that bad. He just observes the response he and other Hillary supporters have gotten. The column laments it sure, but doesn't go much further.
The double remarkableness of this sentence bothers me more than any of that:
"What is remarkable about the louder Obama supporters on campus is the remarkable confidence of their views."
The real question is why any democrats would want to elect someone other than the candidate who does seem to be mobilizing college students and young people.
He would be a complete failure. There is nothing in him that is impressive. There are other Democratic candidates, such as Clinton, who are both more eloquent and have a better track record than Obama. The Presidency of the US is the most influential office a single individual can hold in the USA. And given the influence of the USA around the world, is probably the most influential political office of the planet. Just as no profit mindful corporation would play "affirmative action" games with their top office I suggest that Americans don't play such games with their top office.
How a person as mediocre and uninspiring as Obama has been able to attract the attention of the highly educated is a total mystery to me. I guess that this shows that the "Ivory Tower Syndrome" is way more real than we want to acknowledge at Stanford and other highly regarded higher education institutions.
Speaking as one of the "unnamed and unknown" people in the article, I think Stuart is just attempting to describe the hypocrisy displayed by some (not by all, not even by many) of the Obama supporters. They call for "an end to divisions" but seem to totally discount anyone who would dare to disagree.
After Super Tuesday, Part deux, I made a pro-Hillary sign and put it on my door in Mirrielees. I'll admit it was somewhat snarky--it said "Go Hillary, Yes SHE Can" and then listed the larger states she had won and noted "States that matter vote for Hillary"--but there were Obama posters up and down my hall and throughout the dorm. It was torn down within an hour. I made another one and it was torn down by morning. I sent an e-mail to the Mirrielees chat list (scourge of humanity that it is) explaining what happened, and received a lovely response from one resident informing me that "maybe if you kept your political views to yourself, this wouldn't happen." Yikes.
I know that was probably totally unrepresentative of Obama supporters (most I've run across are lovely people, including, surprisingly, both of my parents), but it made me a little less inclined to support him if he was to win the nomination (kind of in the same way Ron Paul crazies made their candidate totally unappealing). I guess my biggest problem is that a good number of the Obama supporters I have talked with can't really describe his platform or any concrete political plans he will actuate. They make overtures on "hope" and "change," but seem flabbergasted that I would ask what exactly what legislative policy is going to bring about that hope and change.
Who cares about support among college students? They don't come out to the ballot box. The whole MTV "Rock the Vote" effort in the 90s was a sham. Voter turnout in the 18-24 category didn't move one iota, but I'm sure Viacom made a lot of money off the marketing on it!
But I hope college students do turn out in the remaining primaries to seal the deal for Obama. The guy is a spineless empty suit and a political novice. McCain will wipe the floor with him in the general election.
The take home message for this article is the huge ad smack in the middle of it: John Mccain for President.
If this kind of stuff continues, he really will be. And oh how dumb this discussion will seem.
I may be an idiot,but I have my facts right. Do a little reading sometime.
Obama supporters surprise me: they're crazy about a man who goes to a Hamas supporting church and responds to any criticism by claiming it is racism. Talk about playing the race card!
And to get back to his church - its support of Hamas seems to be rather "official" if they print Hamas manifesto (rather than this being an attitude of a few individuals within the church). Pretty worrisome, no?
What the hell is wrong with you? Incalculable damages caused by the Clinton's? Didn't that guy balance the budget with the house and senate working against him. I know why he did that...God came down to Bill and told him to get a bunch of money ready so that your cowboy freak hero incarnate of Jesus can go start a war with a country on false pretenses to finally save the world from the "Muslim Problem"...sounds allot like another guy in history that disregarded the government to have his personal war at the expense of everyone....Mien Furor
In the last eight years of governor Bush's great adventure, what good has happened to the country? People are divided, the dollar is sinking, and of all things, gas is really expensive. It's like the guy is the reverse of Santa Clause.
and as a side note...I really wish that a country that prides itself on being a divider of church and state would start living up to that claim. Who cares if Obama goes to church at all, why does that matter? Lil George went to all the right churches and look how much blood is on his hands. I know what the problem is....you people think that your wealthy enough to call yourselves Republicans. In truth your just poor enough to fall for that.
It's nice to see someone at the daily finally write about this. Thanks, Stu. I wish it had been written earlier in the race, though...